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The entire experience had been one revelation after another, but the biggest one would come on the trip home. As Hank drove, I stared out at the fields we had passed. Up until that very morning, I had seen most land outside of national parks in one of three ways: developed, farmed or empty. Now, no land would ever look empty again, because I now knew that \u201Cunused\u201D land could hide a lot of life. I might not be able to see it from a Toyota Tacoma speeding down Highway 99, but there could be pheasants in all those fields. And now that I was a hunter, that suddenly meant a lot to me. It was as if I was a first-time visitor to Earth, seeing it as it truly is.


We were just minutes from the Yolo Bypass Wildlife Area, a state wildlife area in a bypass that provides flood control for Sacramento. It\u2019s easy to access because Interstate 80 crosses the bypass on a long causeway, and best of all, it has an auto tour where you can see lots of birds without having to get into the water.

I'd surely *not* want to have to recompile Apache/SSH/$random_vulnerable_program on all the machines on a server farm when there's a security problem.IMHO Gentoo is only suitable for desktops, and only if the user has lots of spare time (or a big compiling cluster) to wait for all the compiles. Dispelling the myths of Gentoo Linux, an honest review (LXer) Posted Mar 23, 2004 0:42 UTC (Tue) by zlynx (guest, #2285) [Link]

Yeah, especially if the machine in question is accessible and, um, vulnerable (how much of types who have gcc on _servers_ will think of that?).Sec updates must be instant and should be automatic.PS: judging from the rest of the article -- I wouldn't hire a person which messes with kernels and doesn't get that either you do initrd or you have everything to get to /lib/modules hardwired. The thing is, either you accumulate the experience, or change the interest area -- but simply stating "since 1995" is the less nothing the more funny things like this are in the air :-(Also, there _is_ a difference between kickstarting/cloning a bunch of systems and doing l33t s374pz with cute root shell prompt. And "dispelling build myths" would be even better with e.g. 2x248 Opteron, a bit more RAM and a bunch of WD Raptor drives in 3ware RAID0 (or some nice SCSI box of its own; BTW, better avoid Promise crap). Still, I doubt it's that reasonable exactly now "for general consumption".Who will dispel the myth of prompt sec updates and maintaining a lot of systems? (the latter accounts for Slackware by large, btw)After that, I've got another pack of home tasks (regarding auto-tuning optimization and taking into account that different packages may need lower -O, visiting a friend with a different CPU type, and so on). Dispelling the myths of Gentoo Linux, an honest review (LXer) Posted Mar 23, 2004 23:21 UTC (Tue) by zlynx (guest, #2285) [Link]

I let it do apt-get update; apt-get -d -f -y dist-upgrade every night (download only) then I run the apt-get dist-upgrade by hand whenever I feel like it (on the test-bed). That displays the change log for all changes to all packages (apt-listchanges is an optional package togive that feature). Then I let it go. (Actually the downloads are alsodone via a simple custom script that uses wget --limit-rate to ensurethat I don't chew up all the household bandwidth on the fetches; that'savailable at )

I used to use Mandrake, and still recommend it to my friends as the best distro for desktop ease of use. However I too got tired of upgrading Mandrake in big jumps. I liked the idea of just upgrading a few packages at the time; less things break that way and it's easier to revert to working packages.So I tried Debian for a time but was not satisfied with how old the packages were. this was in the gnome-1.4 -> gnome 2.0 transition era (yes I was using testing, not stable).I'm very happy with Gentoo, it makes it very easy to select what versions of things you want to run and what dependancies you want. For example I run stable versions of all basic system libs/progs and use more recent version of certian packages that I need or that I'm interested in testing.I don't know about Debian (I didn't use it for long enough) but with Mandrake, if you wanted to use the latest version of some package from Cooker (Mandrake's development version) it would often require updated basic libraries. With Gentoo since everything's build from source that's never a problem. (Ok, I could have used src rpms with Mandrake, but portage is just much more automated and convenient). Optimizations matter? Really? Posted Mar 23, 2004 12:30 UTC (Tue) by flewellyn (subscriber, #5047) [Link]

I can customize each package, on the fly, using a single command line, build from source or download a binary, and upgrade an entire distribution without breaking anything. Source patches for security fixes and bugs are automatically applied, and configuration files are automatically updated. Yet, I have complete control over the process, and can override any default at any stage. If a package installs something that conflicts with my own system settings, I can view the differences and choose how they are resolved using a simple menu interface.Compared to that, any putative speedup from optimization settings is trivial. Dispelling the myths of Gentoo Linux, an honest review (LXer) Posted Mar 23, 2004 16:18 UTC (Tue) by scart (guest, #5039) [Link] 041b061a72

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